rubio or paul ryan are associated with the tea party. so certainly. but going back to something leslie said, it's how you communicate these issues. you can't be talking about electrified fences and cattle prods when you're talking about immigration. look, the country is for border security and a reasonable immigration policy but it's how you communicate it. >> brown: what about on various other social issues. we saw for the first time gay marriage, for example, same-sex marriage. >> when it comes to gay marriage or abortion women in this country aren't turned off by people are pro-life, there are people who will pro-life in all of our families. they're opposed to people sounding like cavemen when they talk about being pro life. so there's a smart way to communicate these issues. >> brown: so keep the policy but change the way you talk about it and who you talk to? >> be rational and reasonable and understand there's a different view but trying to find common ground without compromising your principles. in our movement conservatives hear "modernize and adapt" and they hear "liberalize"